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PostPosted on Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:33 am

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    Good Evening!

    Remember in January when Solia participated in Blackout Day? We had a thread to get your opinion on the issue and allow everyone to discuss how they felt about the SOPA and PIPA bills. The internet as a whole was enraged with these bills postponed until "issues raised about the bill were resolved".

    Well the issues have now been "resolved". The resolution to the issues where for the most part abandon it and push PCIPA instead. Started in 2011 PCIPA stands for "Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act" it was for the most part ignored until recently due to many questioning how much it actually has to do with Child Pornography. However to lobbyists of SOPA and PIPA it's a great alternative because in the end who in their right mind would vote against protecting children?

    ACTA on Wikipedia
    PCIPA on Wikipedia
    Against ACTA and PCIPA.
    Pro ACTA

    So what do you think? Sneaky trick or something we actually need? What's your reasoning either way?
 
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PostPosted on Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:57 pm

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No. I just wish they would just leave us be. Not everyone on the internet is bad. Our intentions are not bad. Why must they complicate things. I guess I understand that they want to give it a good genuine front, but honestly? I find it pointless.
 

PostPosted on Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:08 am

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Oh sure. here, just take all my info all of it, my social, my banking, my address. That's not the patriot act at all. That could never be an invasion of my privacy.

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PostPosted on Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:11 am

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It sounds like a trick to me, it's just the governments way to spy on us. I'm not saying that I have anything to hide but I visit many sites for information for RP's and just for my own knowledge base. What would happen if the government got a hold of the list of sites that I have visited and they didn't like one of the sites? Would I be sent to jail or something? I just don't think its right for our privacy to be invaded like that, where we have to be freaking out about if we are going to jail for visiting a site that the government doesn't like.



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PostPosted on Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:12 am

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I find it really low that they're using pornography as an excuse for tracking perfectly innocent people in their daily lives.
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this bill is just a cheep way to get everyone's info
really they should just leave the internet alone

its kinda despicable of them really giving the bill a name like that
but really its just a trick :tableflip:
they need to get up off my info


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PostPosted on Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:13 am

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http://ec.europa.eu/trade/tackling-unfair-trade/acta/

Pro-ACTA site, if anyone's interested (just to have two sides of the coin, I suppose).
 
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PostPosted on Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:16 am

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Don't ask don't tell when it came out was originally made to look like it would allow gay people to serve without fear so long as they didn't say anything. These laws are said to be for safety but its obviously false information. It's all about money in the end. They want to get normal people who do things like share MP3 files with friends, make AMVs, watch shows online for free.. because if you can do that then people who are already wealthy do not get as much wealth. There's already proof that those laws are bad, they have already started putting people in jail that live over seas for things that are considered crimes in the united states and not their own countries. While I'm sure the internet could use new laws, they need to actually make sense. That is the way I think of things concerning those two.
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PostPosted on Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:42 am

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PostPosted on Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:24 am

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I firmly believe that things should be left be. I believe that by editing the internet it is infringing upon our freedom of speech, both verbal and written. Yes children always run the risk of clicking on a improper site, I know I had my run-ins with bad sites when I was younger (blushes); but it's the parent's duty to monitor what a child does or sees online, not the government's.

There are programs out there that can be run to protect children, a great number of them are free, I've tested out a few of them and they worked wonderful. If a parent is concerned about what their child is doing online behind their backs, they should install one of these programs, run a impossibly hard password, written down and hidden someplace out of the child's reach.

I know America is more lenient then a great deal of other countries out there, and how greatly their internet is blocked or monitored, but for a country who's motto is the land of the free, it seems to me that they're working very hard to make it the exact opposite.
 
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PostPosted on Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:27 am

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While I thoroughly agree that censoring young children against many of the pornographic sites on the Internet would be wonderful, I am wholeheartedly against PCIPA if it means that the government will be able to invade a person's well-deserved privacy. In today's modern, and ever technologically advancing, age, every person, no matter their social status deserves at least some small measure of privacy. I doubt the government officials would like PCIPA as much if it was geared to pulling the skeletons in THEIR closets to light and invading their precious privacy...
 
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PostPosted on Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:54 am

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I think it's disgusting how they hide the main idea about SOPA behind another bill just so they can get what they want. It just shows they'll do whatever it takes to make it happen, even if the people don't want it to.


I haven't read much about ACTA, even though my country signed it. I just feel like we should be able to freely browse the internet without having to be censored. It's so obvious that the people do not want this, but it's the companies that do. I honestly think you should listen to the people that get affected by it, not the companies that actually don't really seem to suffer much from it and just want more money.






 
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PostPosted on Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:53 am

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I think some people are missing the point of PCIPA. It's not trying to censor porn for kids

If the government were just trying to shield children from pornography, I would say they're being stupid and trying to do their parents job, but that's not what PCIPA is about. The bill is about cracking down on pornography of children and the sites that distribute it. As far as laws go, it's not illegal to assist in the sale of porn, as long as you're not the one making it with the kiddies. The problem comes in when they want to store the IP address and personal information on anyone who makes an account, and the bill doesn't specify that the stored information has to come from child pornography sites.

While it seems like a good cause that anyone can get behind, it's like they're tripping all over themselves to figure out how the internet works.
 
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PostPosted on Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:05 am

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♥ Welcome to America! When our bill-makers don't get what they want, they change the name and pursue the same exact principles (or worse)!

And anyway, how on earth will their little information-grubbing hogs work when people are on the internet at a library (lolwutsalibrary) or other such public area? Hmm...

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PostPosted on Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:30 am

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constructivism wrote:

I find it really low that they're using pornography as an excuse for tracking perfectly innocent people in their daily lives.

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I also agree with this sentiment, because I feel like it exploits people's feelings (I myself would strongly like to see less child pornography and exploitation as well) but not at the cost of personal freedoms online.

I feel like there should be an international bill of rights specifically for the internet; a bill that could legislate against certain infringements on people's privacy and ensure rights on it. Maybe if there was a piece of legislation specific enough against these kinds of bills they would become less frequent, or the idea would be at least put forward that there are rights, legal, codified rights, that belong to the people who use the internet that shall not be infringed without penalty.


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